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Joker · Apr 14, 2009, 10:06 AM // 10:06

I'm trying to come up with a good way for a ranger to easily cap a black widow in the UW using heroes. So here is my build

2 Monk heroes (Dunk and Tahl)

Dunk + 3 protection prayers
[Mo/R;OwIT8WoazIlWXe/TfxzhHEA]

Tahl + 3 protection prayers, + 1 healing prayers, + 1 divine favor
[Mo/R;OwIV04XBXckpIlMUeiUfxjmHEA]

The end result of the [protective bond] energy costs are 3 for Dunk and 4 for Thal. and Dunk always casts first.

Main
[R/E;OgYUo4birMOLmijvA1YL8NpGhLA]

I use a set of noob armor loaded out with superior runes to get my health down to 105.

When I start the run I buff my main in this order with the heores.

8;8 , 7;7 , 6;6 , 5;5

Then I cast [Balthazar's Spirit] on each of them and flag them a safe distance away. And yes the enchantments are disabled so they will maintain them. And no I am not being killed from dying nightmares stripping my enchantments either.

The bond monks just cant seem to maintain the energy upkeep in the underworld, but ONLY in the underworld.

Using this exact build I can have my character easily tank 7 minotaurs in Elona's reach for over 30 minutes with ZERO danger of dying.

Can someone please explain this to me?

JONO51 · Apr 14, 2009, 10:15 AM // 10:15

Only thing I can think of is that with minotaurs, life bond+barrier reduce almost all dmg to zero anyway, so prot bond rarely triggers. However, with UW they do higher damage therefore trigger it a lot more than your monks can handle. In theory then, they'd just continuously lose en as they only regain 2 en per hit from balth spirit and essence bond.

also, if you just want to cap spider, borrow another persons hero's out of ToA for 1k and go in with 6 heroes. Thats how i did it for mine.

Joker · Apr 14, 2009, 10:21 AM // 10:21

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Originally Posted by JONO51

dying nightmares might strip away the enchants with [rend enchantments]

><Just noticed you said you werent being killed by enchatn strips. sorry

also, if you just want to cap spider, borrow another persons hero's out of ToA for 1k and go in with 6 heroes. Thats how i did it for mine.

I realize that there are many other ways to get a spider.......

I just want to know why the ONLY place this build doesn't work is in the underworld!

t00115577 · Apr 14, 2009, 10:22 AM // 10:22

Gonna be fun capping a black widow without [charm animal] on your bar.

You need to take another persons heros. Just run some standard bars, UW isnt hard with 6 heros. Make sure you have a prot monk with [protective spirit] and pre prot a designated tank for the aatxes.

Your also definitely being rended by dying nightmares, whether you notice it or not, they will pop up, rend and die, so you probably missing it.

Joker · Apr 14, 2009, 10:26 AM // 10:26

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Originally Posted by t00115577

Gonna be fun capping a black widow without [charm animal] on your bar.

You need to take another persons heros. Just run some standard bars, UW isnt hard with 6 heros. Make sure you have a prot monk with [protective spirit] and pre prot a designated tank for the aatxes.

Oh for the love of mike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes yes yes I get that. And I already have my spider. I just really want to know WHY the only place my monks cant maintain the energy upkeep is in the underworld!

I have tested this several times.

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Originally Posted by t00115577

Your also definitely being rended by dying nightmares, whether you notice it or not, they will pop up, rend and die, so you probably missing it.

So your telling me that when I am tanking the Aataxes for 20 seconds watching my heores energy bars drop it really my enchantments being stripped? So what about when I rez myself and try again on the same two Aataxes.... And what about the 3rd fourth and 5th times after that?

JONO51 · Apr 14, 2009, 10:30 AM // 10:30

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Originally Posted by Joker

So your telling me that when I am tanking the Aataxes for 20 seconds watching my heores energy bars drop it really my enchantments being stripped? So what about when I rez myself and try again on the same two Aataxes.... And what about the 3rd fourth and 5th times after that?

If the energy bar is slowly dropping like that, then likely explanation is what I edited up into my previous post a min ago.

t00115577 · Apr 14, 2009, 10:39 AM // 10:39

Well ive no idea why its not working, maybe cause aatxes hit so high or something. Just replace those 2 monks with 1 monk that has [protective spirit] and [spirit bond] on its bar, get more than 600 health and your invincible.

Joker · Apr 14, 2009, 10:55 AM // 10:55

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Originally Posted by JONO51

If the energy bar is slowly dropping like that, then likely explanation is what I edited up into my previous post a min ago.

Thanks!

I figured that since [Protective Bond] was the first enchantment its damage reduction would be applied first and [life barrier]/[life bond] would just be taking that 5 physical damage down to 2 or 1.

Shayne Hawke · Apr 14, 2009, 11:45 AM // 11:45

Which and how many enemies are you tanking in the UW? It's possible that you're not getting hit enough for them to keep their energy up, or the damage type you're being struck with isn't triggering Essence Bond.

TheodenKing · Apr 14, 2009, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by Joker

I just want to know why the ONLY place this build doesn't work is in the underworld!

What have you tested this on besides minotaurs and aatxes? Without further testing, my theory would be the attack frequency and damage from the aatxx mobs is too much for the energy replenishment to handle.

I'm curious enough, however, to load your builds and play around with it for awhile.

cognophile · Apr 14, 2009, 04:22 PM // 16:22

[[Protective Bond] was nerfed a long time ago. Nowadays, people spam [[Protective Spirit] instead of using prot bond.

_Nihilist_ · Apr 14, 2009, 08:21 PM // 20:21

[Throw Dirt] and [Lightning Reflexes] say "oHai!"

If the Aatxes are Blind, they miss 90% of the time.

If LitReflexes is up, you have a 75% chance to block.

Missed attacks and blocked attacks do not hit, meaning no energy from Bonds.

Joker · Apr 14, 2009, 10:40 PM // 22:40

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[[Protective Bond] What have you tested this on besides minotaurs and aatxes? Without further testing, my theory would be the attack frequency and damage from the aatxx mobs is too much for the energy replenishment to handle.

I'm curious enough, however, to load your builds and play around with it for awhile.

If you make sure both monks have 13 protection prayers then they have no problems with energy.